State Licensing Shot Down Again!

This time it was the hail-chasers buying-off democrats....The last time, (15 yrs ago), it was the big tract home builders....Colorado is truly a dirty-dirty state. :(

Yeah Mike, I must admit....Unfortunately, most of the licensing is a farce/joke....I suppose the notion of effective licensing to come about, has about the same chance as doing away with licensing....I can understand how & why long-establiished companies would be against licesning....as the small, unscrupulous types would be against, it as well....It makes for a very difficult road for the ethical new/up & coming roofing contractors....We all have to deal with the situation....just have to make our way the best we can....

Having just gone through the process to get a license in Alabama, what a farce!!! It was not easy getting to the test stage, but the tests were a joke. Cripe, I passed the Biz & Law exam without a single reference source.

Ohio doesn't have a license program, and I don't want one. The last thing I want is for the state to hand someone a piece of paper that says "XYZ Roofing" is just as qualified as I am. I've worked to long and hard on a reputation to let the state bastardize the efforts.

That's good one....so true....

No...it's not brain surgery....that's a no-brainer, as displayed herein....

TomB Said: What about medical licenses?

I'm a flaming radical libertarian and I believe that the constitution gives me the right to use a medical professional that DOESN'T have a license. Why?....Why not? It's my body, and my right to choose. If I want to use my neighbor to pull my tooth, stitch up my gashes or give me a lobotomy: it's my body!

I'm against most licensing but I can see the value and need for some. If you want to drive on public roads, I can see the need for proficiency. But: I also believe that there could be some roads that don't require licenses. Example: if a developer builds a huge subdivision and makes all the road private, he should be able to designate them license free.

The solution to this question of licensing is actually quite simple. Make licensing optional but require the unlicensed operators to advertise it. Those needing the nanny state get the best of both worlds.

....AND....Mary had little lamb, whose fleece was white as snow....

Here is another example of why you don't want to have boards and departments in your life and your children and grandchildren.............. Copy and Pasted from an email 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration. There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning! He was being drilled by a senator, 'Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?' Ollie replied, 'Yes, I did, Sir.' The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, 'Isn't that just a little excessive?' 'No, sir,' continued Ollie. 'No? And why not?' the senator asked. 'Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir.' 'Threatened? By whom?' the senator questioned. 'By a terrorist, sir' Ollie answered. 'Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?''His name is Osama bin Laden, sir' Ollie replied. At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you so afraid of this man?' the senator asked.'Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of', Ollie answered. 'And what do you recommend we do about him?' asked the senator. 'Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth.' The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip. By the way, that senator was Al Gore! Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called 'political prisoners.'However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton,and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher,'insisted' that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked us by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center . This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified.

It was censored in the US from all later reports B) ;) ;) B) Deep Down In Florida Where The Sun Shines Damn Near Every DAy

A bit of a stretch....don't you think????....LOL...."Reasonable regulation", is the operative word....

Roofguy;

Those are local bldg. official sqaubles...Heck, I had an inspector make a false police report one time, that I had threatened him....I was livid...sitting there in that courtroom berrated by the judge...the whole time my attorney glaring at me - to keep my blank'n mouth shut! That was extremely trying....I feel for you.

poop happens....From 1983 - 1992 I had one P.O.S. customer complain to the CSLB....Yes, it was unjust & a bunch of BS & it took up some otherwise productive time & energy....it happens....very minuscule risk for the benefits involved.

Twill;....AMEN!

lanny----There's an example of some in-efficiency, huh?....In Calif.;, when a consumer makes a complaint, it MUST be resolved, otherwise, the licesnse is suspended until such time the issue is resolved....No license = no worky....Quite the incentive.

....I forgot about Florida....However, isn't what you speak of; More of code enforcement?....Not so much the licensing aspect?....Two copmpletely different things....I do understand Florida had some mighty crazy/over-kill bldg. code ammendments....????

Oh, I'm right there with ya CIAK.....I mostly agree...In the bigger sense of it all....if that makes any sense.... :S

This is what happens in the highly regulated State of Florida Let me try to make it clear. What happens in a licensed state when a complaint is filed against a licensed contractor. It does and will happen. Frivolous and wrongful complaints. You the contractor will have your rights stomped on fined and who knows what, Perhaps Jail. Here is why........... Unchecked, the nature of the proceedings, combined with the prohibitive time and expense associated with enforcement of a licensee's rights ( you the contractor), allows boards and the DBPR to proceed virtually unfettered by the constraints of the law. The results can be disastrous for the regulated individual or business entity. It does and will happen. Think about it before you leap on this band wagon.... rooting for a more aggressive police state? Do the cops jackbooted thugs really need to push a man to the ground to cuff him? It could and might be you .Be careful of what you wish for: you could be next. Then your kids and grandkids. Fight oppression while you still can. Watch what you wish for it may come back on you 10 times.IMO B) :) :) B) Deep Down In Florida Where The Sun Shines Damn Near Every Day

With the notion of licensing, comes effective licensing....As far as I can glean, Utah, Nevada, California, Washington, Arizona & possibly New Mexico & Oregon(?), are the only states that have in-place anything that would resemble any sort of effective licensing.

Colorado has made attempts, but goes about it in unecessary, complicated ways....It's talked/analyzed to death, further complicated to unbelievable messures, then is quite easily defeated...probably due to a combination of unecessary complexity & coruptive behavior.

I sat on a board in the early 90's, in Colorado....I eventually resigned, due to the fact it just got ridiculous with all the talk/BS....I realized the people on this "board" were primarilly made up of old, very well established, roofing co.s, along with the "hail-chaser" types....the "good ol' boys" & the "shysters", add to that, the then influence, of the big home bldrs,....it was an absolute joke & doomed from the git-go.

That being said...At least some knid of licencing is better than none & a start in the right direction....

Personaly, I doubt there'll ever be any signifigant contractor licensing in other states, as the good ol' boys are comfortable where their at and the shyster/quick/big $ talks....the majority of the rest, are simply sheeples....#7 or 8(?)

Licensing is of course meant to monitor contractors, which to some point is a good thing. The idea is if a contractor has a valid state license they then carry proper insurances and with inspections performed will do a good job. The truth to that last statement is this... Anybody with a good background can pay $300 to take a class in MN on how to be a general contractor. $100 for two tests, $1,000 or less for a $300K insurance policy, and $690 and you just got a 2 year license!!! That being said most anybody with a couple grand can get a license in MN.

The truth is any fast talking "contractor" can talk a homeowner into pulling a permit or a licensed contractor for that matter. What's worse? they could just say they are another licensed contractor and pull the premit, seen and heard it done several times. Know 3 people that had that done to their license.

Personaly have no problem pulling permits in MN. Minneapolis and St. Paul allow me to pull permits without having to go downtown. Some rural areas don't require permits also.

What I don't like? One city charges $30 to put a roof on a $1,000,000 house while another city charges $300 to put a roof on a $100,000 house.