I'm open for some opinions from you guys

CIAK,

I did not Edit Any of the posts that I copy/pasted and even mentioned to you in that thread that I would copy the rest of them if you felt they made a point. All posts were copied in their entirety, with the exception of the Brad Pitt and Jennifer Lopez comments. It seemed to me that those comments had noting to do with the topic, so I completely ignored them.

I did that task as a favor to you, since you stated you could not log on here and I was using my home computer, which is much slower and cumbersome to do those tasks than my office computer.

The ones that I intentionally did not copy were more personal remarks to the previous posters, which did not seem to add to the total discussion, but I DID inform you that if you still were not able to log in here, I would be happy to copy/paste the rest of them in their entirety if you requested.

I did not selectively choose those that made one point over the other and my offer to retrieve the rest of the posts for you should have made that point implicitly clear.

CIAK Said: "Ed was there a reason you only posted threads you created and not the others from the RCS ?Pulling perhaps statements out of other threads to make a point and perhaps redefine my points for what reasons ??. I'm sorry Ed it appears from here to be disingenuous and borders precariously on the edge of the abyss to the deep dark selfish gaping hole of sophism."

Back To Ed's Reply: I don't have my dictionary available for the word, "sophism", but will look it up later.

Could you point out where I changed any of your words even in one slight iota?

If anything at all, I leaned over more in your direction by commending you on your self conscious conclusion that you would be the better choice as an arbitrator, given the alternative options that may have been available.

You seem to find negativity in my posts as if it were directed towards you personally, where that is far from the truth.

My disagreement is the lack of an Arm's Length Distance between the two vested parties in the disagreement and who is paying or previously paid the person designated to make a conclusive decision to the facts of the situation.

By the way, I live only about 10 minutes away from Barrington, but there are several other towns with the name Barrington in them, but they all are close, so I hope that you take me up on my offer to get together when you are in town.

Ed

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CIAK,

I guess I "feel" that way because I worked for Liberty Mutual back in the 70's. Went through an extensive eight week "training" course on how to screw people out of their settlement funds. After being in the construction business for over 34 years and dealing with insurance carriers on a number of claims, I know, and I certainly think YOU know, the game. You asked for opinions........you got them, with dividends.

JET>>>

Taken from the new thread started on another forum. It appeared to me Ed was doing an edited version of what was happening on this forum. I haven't heard back from him yet but felt it only fair to re post my response to him here Hey guys I finally am able to log onto the RCS. I'll continue it here . Ed I fly to Baton Rouge Thur and head up to Chicago from there I have not been told my destination yet. I can only speculate Barring ton area. I'll let you know as I get closer to leaving. I fly back to the Tampa Bay area sometime early next week if nothing happens. One way a program works now, It may be more agreeable to some here.......when there is a disagreement between the parties an independent , ? ( alacrity contractor ) is brought in . For those who don't know , Alacrity contractor is one who is on a list with the insurance companies insured licensed etc. The Alacrity contractor will re scope the loss and come up with a number and present it . It becomes the mark. If the parties involved don't like it one way or another it is that number that is used. This program I'm talking about is new and in the initial stag of development. I would love to be involved for a few reasons. First I like knowing I'll be resolving conflict , I know I am the right person for reasons stated before. I'll be paid for doing something I am well qualified for .There also is a sense of righting a wrong that has a strong influence on me. One of the many reasons I love this job. Perhaps arbitrating wasn't the right verbiage ?? My lack of understanding the English language is at fault here. I know I can't save the world . What little I can do I'll take it Ed was there a reason you only posted threads you created and not the others from the RCS ?Pulling perhaps statements out of other threads to make a point and perhaps redefine my points for what reasons ??. I'm sorry Ed it appears from here to be disingenuous and borders precariously on the edge of the abyss to the deep dark selfish gaping hole of sophism>>>

I wasn't questing your personal integrity.

I can only guess that it most likely would be of a very high standard, unless I knew you personally and in greater depth.

There just does not, at first glance of this picture, seem to be an arms length distance between the affected party potentially obligated to proffer additional funds to one of their contractually insured customers.

If an unbiased and truer expectation would be desired, a revolving arbitration method through the local courts would seem to make sense, but it seems as if the Insurance Companies and ANY entity, such as mass production home builders seem to prefer the cacophony effect that an arbitrated decision tenders, so that precedents remain opaque to future interested parties.

The court systems in my jurisdiction and the entire state utilize retired judges and attorneys who have the knowledge and historical credentials to arbitrate freely without preferential bias, which initially allows for the case to bypass the judicial court system, yet still allows that option as an end result if the arbitration decision was not in line with either parties thinking.

Arbitration results being held secretive, by their very nature seem to intentionally hide the extenuating and ongoing possibilities of internal corruption.

That is not to say that this is true in a majority of cases, but just by having that potential cloud the only refuge available to the customer would seem to hide an underlying motive. With all of the Billions of dollars that are at stake, the argument that arbitration is speedier and less costly becomes mute.

On the initial presentation of this option being designated as a fair and reasonable method to resolve differences, especially with the Insurance Company picking up the tab, it may seem that this action is being done out of the Goodness Of The Heart in favor of good customer relations.

Then BOOM, when the decision is completely skewed and the victimized party is without additional recourse, then they will realize the total unbiased favoritism of the entire procedure.

By the way, if you have not seen the new thread I started for you at NRG, I listed my office phone number and e-mail address for you to contact me, if you have the opportunity and desire to, when you are in the Chicago Area this coming week.

I would look forward to having dinner or coffee with you, as I am sincerely confident it would be my pleasure in making your personal acquaintance.

Ed

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Ed I hear ya. On the other hand there happens to be more than one party involved in the process. To take what I assume your position of a insidious insurance company with anti-social psychopathic predatorial general positions of power. Polarizing ,cospiratoral . " i dunno " can't see it . I know the people inside . I won't go on till I get some clarification on that position first. Have I come close ? I'm asking for clarity not to incite .>>>

The only True and Integrity driven arbitrator would be one who has no stake in the claim and no alliances.

If this arbitration position is created by your employer, how far can the left hand be from the right hand?

You may have personal ideologies of your own integrity, but to be paid by one party and presumed to also be dealing fairly with a non-continuing paid party implies great favoritism on behalf of the party, your Employer, who has the opportunity to either increase, decrease or eliminate your arbitration case load.

I see no Clean Hands in this deal, even if you go into it with that though and feeling sincerely. There is too much at stake and too much inferred pressure to arbitrate in favor of the hand that is feeding you.

How could one in such a position subconsciously even, not be influenced to a great degree?

I do honestly believe that your intent is clean and admirable, but I find the companies motives to have their own paid arbitor handle such cases with a presumed fair and neutral perspective.

Even from your own writings of admirable defense of your companies and other like minded insurance conglomerates tactics, I feel that your perspective has already been altered and tainted. You see the company requiem and supposed balanced fair play, while the trained and tutored staff is going against an army of individuals rather than a unified presence.

On the other hand, who would be the next likely candidate for this type of position? If that were the only choice, then you would have my full support and backing, but alas, I feel that the only true impartiality could be obtained from a party not financially involved with the masters in charge and they will not let that occur.

In many court districts, they allow a Mandatory Arbitration prior to proceeding to actual trial before a judge.

This, in my very humble opinion, would be the only conscionable alternative.

The arbitration policies required are a method to circumvent the alleged victimized party from having their day in court, which would set undeniable precedent for others to follow.

Why would the insurance giants be intimidated by that truer impartiality and lasting record? If you can get them to answer that, without choking on there words, you will see that they will have no part in an open, just and fair trial to play out.

Even a proclaimed independent arbitration association would be hard pressed to remain financially unbiased, due to the fee potential to be generated.

Ed>>>

Jet Why would you feel that way ? I understand it is your Opinion . I think I'm representing the contract. Bringing a resolution , I haven't started this project yet. That being said it will be on ethical , moral terms or not at all . If that bugs ya then you might want to take a second look at your own character. Nothing personal JMO ;)>>>

Wouldn't touch that job for ten million bucks.......ANYONE who represents the insurance industry has to be someone with no character whatsoever. Nothing personal ;) ;)JMO.

JET>>>

I thought about your question some more . First thanks because it was a good question . I want to generate money for my employer . the question also made me think about creating , Any time I can create something that will generate revenue not just for me ( that is a reason for doing this) , but also for the company and contractoer, it is a winning project. In other words, create something that increases income>>>

Thanks Miscreant , The payoff is where this rubber meets the road , . Does it have any leverage and or re-purposing ? "Get the most out of what you've got" --is a great motto I learned the hard way, when I was sitting around trying to figure out what it is I like to do. lounging around in the lap of not having to do anything . I like to feel productive. When I can say that I am "killing two birds with one stone" it is a sign of a great project for me! twill touched on it in one of his replies as far as purpose. >>>

Interesting. I see you were looking for dialogue and not advice, so I'll ask you this question; What is the payoff for taking this on?>>>

Quite the contray Miscreant . This is just the place for someone who is concerened with ethics and peace of mind. I understand myselve. With all thy getting, get understanding about yourself; I understand the forces that move and shake me. They are very deep forces, not what you might think they are,it's not the intellect, but something deeply buried in my psyche that moves me and controls me.

It would stand to reason that I think that force is me. The alcoholic or the drug addict thinks he or she is doing what he or she wants to do. The same with smokers. How often do you hear, I can stop smoking any time I want to, but I don't want to--it's me." You think of every want you have as coming from your own desire, but any good salesman can make you want something, along with making you think that it's you who wants it. Then, you wake up and wonder "What am I doing with this?" Einstein said that a man can will what he wants, but not what he wills. It would take a person like me to be able to handle this>>>

I don't know about any dark side, but it seems to me that this job would be filled with tension and isolation. You would be working with only disgruntled contractors and frustrated bosses on the claims nobody wants to deal with. This is not a job for someone concerned with ethics or peace in mind.>>>

Well I take no offence. As far as illegal for those of you who voted for Obama the bill that just pushed itself through , Their are no illegals anymore. The ones who have been deported will be granted amnesty , The ones who were are no longer . Transparency ? This is a very frightening time in a once Great Nation. Reminds me of when this industry was Great and is not so much anymore>>>

It isn't set in stone yet. Heck they may not like my opinions . As it is right now I'll be heading up to Chicago late next week. I'll be working the storms in the NE and Mid West this spring. So if anyone wants to get to say hey let me know . I won't sell my soul to no one . I'll die with a clear conscious and with integrity. The only thing you can take with ya is your Character. I'm a three dimensional person with flaws but I continue to grow Winston Churchill , "Personally, I am always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught." I can relate>>>