EPDM or Torch Down??

He sure has got u fooled! Those are your perceptions, hold on to them dear, so you justify your position.

I am anything but a big box store, quality is our hallmark, but should I take a hit for also marrying that with qauntity? MY proof is spread out on buildings all over the Northeast. And in the countless awards and recognitions.

The cry of the one man show has always been "I'M about qaulity, I am not the biggest, I am the best" For the most part that is just self justification for your station in life. Some of us strive for more.

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Mac attack :silly: :silly: :silly: :S The best part is looking from outside looking in on this issue . It is great for this forum and fun when a real professional VAA with the experience of doing the job done above and beyond right... craftsmen of days gone by level on the level. When the sparks start flying , of which I know about it raises the interest . Vaa being the Norm Abrams image Yankee Workshop to me . Up against the Sears Home Depot Lowes big box store image of Mac and others. That is where the argument heads when it becomes flaming I for one love it. Bring it.Mac has a tendency to over berate and the reason he has been tossed more than once. No Brakes on the orifice , ( pie hole ) :woohoo:>>>

I get tuned in wywoody! Focused!>>>

Vaa, I guess the saying is correct old dogs like you can't learn new tricks! You traveled the world, Like a roofing Caine, installing every type of system known. But yet you have seemingly ended up just a lonely one man, truck conglomerate (except when you have a "big" job, then you hang out at the local Junior high and get some talent)

I think the only thing you have learned in your 60 plus years is how to insult, and put down. Try and stay on topic in the future, if you can control yourself.>>>

yes Boston..... rozzi= roslindale......?

I know it well..... I agree ..the more plys the better..... whatever the customer wants....

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Agree with Mac on this one. It wasn't a real roof until the 4th ply went down.>>>

I believe that 3-ply shd be the minimum,>>>

"Vaa"

15 years and you still havent tried them ????????????? If you did give them a try there is no way you would compare flashing a rubber roof and a torch-on roof. You ask "brand names" alot are you a salesmen??????

"Buildrr" I have to agree 3ply T&G is the best roof. R u from Boston ?>>>

after re-reading the original post.... for a 10 sq. rental property tying into a shingle job, I would have probably gone with a 3 ply SA mineral surfaced. color to match the shingle job.....and question why the existing failed.

wide open, apples for apples....base sheets and rigid all in place..... rubber is definitely quicker....spray and play..... cut up pig?......I'll take my chances with the Modified torched down......

Ask me to guarantee it with my life.....3 ply pitch and copper >>>

It is really clear the guys pushing the "torchdown" havent a real clue to the "NEW" way of flashing bonding or caulking. You use boots on pipes that are peel and stick (already have sealant) Stripping in the metal trim also is a peel and stick with sealant. You can also use flashings on the corners with sealant. All this making rubber roofing ALOT faster than torch-on. Once again any one who thinks torch on is faster must be a GOOFER not a roofer.>>>

You no longer need to black glue for pipe boots, they are taped, so worse case scenario, patch the slice going into the pipe (if their is one) prime the epdm, slide down pipe boot, peel tape backing, press in, roll, caulk top, clamp!

Vaa, you can be both big and good you know. SOme thing it is either or, it doesn't have to be.>>>

when you think about how much roofing someone like Tecta America and all of it's licensees, or General Roofing, or Tremco, or whatever conglomerate is on the podium.... they install brazillions of squares......never a problem...blah blah blah.

We all agree that if they let the roofers on the roof before everyone else, a football field so to speak...then production becomes a pleasure..... but start doinking around every penetration, and every accessory that the manufacturer recommends to marry their roof product to the penetration product, then we got a ball game. Ideally....I would want to have an open field before everyone else starts cutting into my work, and the option of being offered an addendum by the penetrating subcontractor to tie in their work, rather than have one of their hot shot guys go up with a caulking gun and do what they thinks best. Because when it gets right down to it, you , the roofer are responsible, and allowing "joeshit the rag man" to silicone his pipe flashing onto your firestone job is a mistake made by both...him doing it, and you allowing it.

I'm still a proud advocate of pitch and copper.... >>>

Does that include the glue flashing off? aplying the lap seal, clamp, etc?>>>

I think you may be a hopeless case VAA

We install Firestone. And the numbers I wrote are correct, I understand if you don't believe it. But with the right equipment, mentality, attitude, people and gameplan, and the desire it can be acheived

regarding the approx 45 yr to major degredation, that comes from the manufacturer. And seeing as how we have roofs still performing at about the 30 yr mark their calculations appear to be correct. The hot and cold roof is based mostly upon the presence of heat to the underside of the sheathing that is roofed, you own pics show that, if there is a space, the the heat from the building gets dispersed in that cavity.

Vaa I wd suggest you don't limit yourself to what others do, or say can only be done, and go beyond that. Work hard and you can exceed current limits. Too many pple see what the industry "norm" is on things like volume and qaulity and they adhere to that.

You can move beyond and help the industry as a whole evolve. >>>

Mike Hicks, Thank You sir...that was a very useful post for me and I know you have done a ton of this stuff. Thanks buddy!

Mike from NZ.....thanks for that link and your website is a nice, helpful place. I like the link to the book you offer.

All others...thanks for your input and help. I am just trying to learn.

Thanks!>>>