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Alba Said: They owed billions to their investors too. According to bankruptcy laws, there is a pecking order in who gets paid and who gets screwed. The government forced GM to screw their investors and hand over the goods to the unions.Marxism in disguise According to bankruptcy laws which have been in effect long before Obama was even born the employees are taken care of first.The bondholders and other creditors second.The shareholders get nothing or next to nothing.
Ostrich alert!
They owed billions to their investors too. According to bankruptcy laws, there is a pecking order in who gets paid and who gets screwed. The government forced GM to screw their investors and hand over the goods to the unions.
Marxism in disguise" According to bankruptcy laws which have been in effect long before Obama was even born the employees are taken care of first.The bondholders and other creditors second.The shareholders get nothing or next to nothing.
Alba Said: The auto companies were bankrupted because the credit spout was turned off. There was/is collusion and the end result was that the government handed over the majority stake to the union, bypassing private investment money Its not quite like that.GM,Chrysler etc owed unions billions of dollars on health benefits pension plans etc.They were given a stake in the company in exchange for reduced contrbutions.
They owed billions to their investors too. According to bankruptcy laws, there is a pecking order in who gets paid and who gets screwed. The government forced GM to screw their investors and hand over the goods to the unions.
Marxism in disguise?
You can't believe everything that you read in the newspapers or internet but here's something worth thinking about. I believe that his Marxist leanings would reveal themselves quite clearly if he were to release some of the things that he's hiding.
"....As WND has reported, besides Obama's actual birth documentation, the president has refused to release his Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records...."
Isn't it curious that he would be so secretive of his past writings and associations? If you've got nothing to hide, you don't have to hide anything.
So much for "transparency". The guy learned a lot from Teflon Bill.
The auto companies were bankrupted because the credit spout was turned off. There was/is collusion and the end result was that the government handed over the majority stake to the union, bypassing private investment money" It's not quite like that.GM,Chrysler etc owed unions billions of dollars on health benefits pension plans etc.They were given a stake in the company in exchange for reduced contrbutions.
Alba Said: If the banks and auto companies were profitable and taken over by the government you may have a case of socialism.those were ailing companies which the government tried to save.The government is intent on selling its stake on those companies once the turnaround is over.trying to salvage the capitalism doesnt classiffy as marxsism.
The auto companies were bankrupted because the credit spout was turned off. There was/is collusion and the end result was that the government handed over the majority stake to the union, bypassing private investment money.
If the government wanted to "help save capitalism" they could have loaned the ailing auto firms money without the Marxism elements.
Ford Motor had recognized the problems associated with their pension promise years earlier. They took hard steps years earlier. They were perfectly positioned to weather the credit freeze and bob to the surface when the other firms went belly up.
Why would our politicians pick sides in a situation like that and prop up losers? The only reason was to hand over as much industry to the unions as they could.
It was a significant illegal act that is blatantly Marxist. Just another bite of the elephant.
Do you think the unions deserved to be handed over the shares?
If the banks and auto companies were profitable and taken over by the government you may have a case of socialism.those were ailing companies which the government tried to save.The government is intent on selling its stake on those companies once the turnaround is over.trying to salvage the capitalism doesn't classiffy as marxsism.
Alba you asked "es, certain rights like wire tapping are government intrusion into your freedom, and yes it’s wrong, as is spending a fortune on illegal wars. Where was all this outrage when Bush was waging his war on the American people?"
The outrage was everywhere and the voters embraced a man named Obama that promised to overturn wrong perpetrated by the Gestapo like Patriot act. Now, since he's changed nothing and extended the Patriot Act, we are again outraged, properly, at another president. Remember the slogan "Hope and Change"? Well we hoped for change, but now the reality has prevailed.
Alba, I would agree that "left wing does not equal marxism". That might be true but Obama is clearly a marxist.
Go investigate his college associations. Ask him to let you read his college papers.
Alba, we are rapidly losing our state and national borders.
When the central government can extend their reach from DC into our local private business, it is another small bite of the elephant.
Should DC tell me that I have to purchase health insurance? Should they dictate how I educate my child and tell me which test they should pass?
Alba, the marxists know that they won't turn this country in one election. They know that to eat an elephant, you take only one bite at a time.
Who is Glenn Beck?
One small of a small step toward marxism would be how they handed the auto companies over to the unions. They illegally bypassed other preferred creditors. It might seem small and inconsequential to you but this is akin to taking of private property. All of this was orchestrated by Obama's czars. It happens in countries like China, Russia, Cuba, etc but it should not happen in the USA.
http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/is-obama-a-marxist/ Is Obama a Marxist? i3 Votes
No. That is the short answer to the question. Whenever a politician deeply angers the American right wing, I start to really like that particular politician. They must be doing something right. Plenty of Glenn Beck addicts, and right winged Americans who seemingly have no idea what Marxism actually is, keep throwing the word MARXIST at Obama. I take great offence at this, because I quite like Marx. I also quite like Che Guevara. In fact, I like anyone who opposes American imperialism. It always makes me smile. I quite like Marxism, I quite like Bakunin too. And Obama is quite the opposite. And here’s why.
He isn’t forcing business to meet production quotas. Those same businesses that aren’t forced to meet production quotas are also not run by the workers. He has never called for a mass workers revolution. Nor are the above three points ever going to happen. Left wing, does not mean Marxist. Government interference in some aspects of the economy, are not Marxist. The World is not as black and white as the right wing likes to make out. The choice isn’t Reagan, or Marx. A Marxist would not put ex-bankers in his Treasury. Actually, A Marxist wouldn’t have a treasury, because a Marxist wouldn’t be in power, because power wouldn’t exist. Regulation on amoral industry to stop it becoming immoral industry, is not Marxist. Keynes was not a Marxist. Safety nets like Social Security, are not Marxist. There is no democratic control of the means of production. Wages exist. Your State and National borders exist. Government programs paid for by taxpayers are not Marxist because A) Money would be abolished under true Marxism, and B) Government wouldn’t exist under true Marxism, because Marxism is pretty close to what Bakunin and Kroptkin advocated. Being black, and friends with Muslims, does not make him a Marxist terrorist who hates White people. Nor does it make it so, if Glenn Beck says it. Obama is President. Head of a Government. A Nation State. The very concept of a President, Government and State is anti-Marxist. In fact, any kind of government regulation set by the State from Minimum wage to Medicare, runs contrary to Marxism, because it legitimises the State. Trying to reach out to Muslim nations as opposed to bombing them back to the stone age, and then referring to the slaughter as “liberationâ€, does not make him a Marxist, nor a terrorist sympathiser. No industry is Nationalised (unless you count the police force and fire department as industries, by most Right Winged Americans tend to over look those). And before you say it, Healthcare in the U.S is not Nationalised. Ask your local supermarket chain if they’re making a profit. If they are, then Marxism has not come to America. Being Atheist, does not make one a Marxist. (Obama’s religious beliefs are irrelevant). Obama has never tried to suggest that private property be abolished, that division caused by the free flow of capital is the root of all evil, and all means of productions be taken over by a workers revolution. Until he does, he in no way can be considered Marxist. The Founding Fathers were neither Socialist nor neoliberalist proponents, because they did not know what Socialism and Neoliberalism were. Are you a proponent or exponent of Chrositographicness? You’re neither, because you don’t know what it is, neither do I, I just made it up. Similarly, the words Neoliberalism and Socialism would have made no sense to the Founders. Stop trying to manipulate their words to suit your agenda. Higher taxes on the rich, does not mean Marxism. In fact, Marx never mentions the concept. Just because Obama hung around with members of Socialist and Communist parties in his college days, does not mean he wishes to turn America into the USSA. It’s like saying, he was friends with a few posh British people, and so that clearly means he wishes to revoke independence and become a colony of the British again. A society that uses welfare to further perpetuate the division between employer and employee, is not Marxist. Obama is further to the right than Britain’s Liberal Democrats, who are centre-left. He is further right than the Swedes. Both the Lib Dems and the Swedes are not Marxists. The entire World other than crazed right winged Americans understand this. In fact, Swedish healthcare, EVIL MARXIST healthcare, ranks close to the top of the World rankings. America’s system, well, let’s just say it’s fucking appalling. Swedish education, including higher education is free for all, and they still have a higher rate of social mobility than the U.S. EVIL MARXISTS!!! George Orwell’s 1984 does not represent a Marxist style of government. It is an Authoritarian government, Stalinist, if you will. This is not Marxist. You do not have a telescreen in your house. You do not have a number assigned to you by the single ruling party. You do not have to work changing history for the government owned media, and your kids do not report you to the thoughtpolice who then do not go on to torture you into submission. Therefore, stop using the phrase “big brother societyâ€, your scare tactics wont work. Yes, certain rights like wire tapping are government intrusion into your freedom, and yes it’s wrong, as is spending a fortune on illegal wars. Where was all this outrage when Bush was waging his war on the American people? Illegal war resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents = good, healthcare for those less fortunate in life = bad? Really? If that’s the case…… if that’s what Americans truly believe……… then fuck America Obama is not, never has been, and never will be a Marxist.
Alba Said: so what makes Obama a marxist ?
Listen to what his philosophy is. Hear his words. Watch his actions. Study his history.
You can't come to any other conclusion.
so what makes Obama a marxist ?