Pic of the day

Man, I used to love to come on here and there was always a pic of a different project for me to check out every single day.

Does anyone remember this and who did it?

Also, Vickie although "what do you like best about roofing" is a good question of the month, it has been several months.

Are you guys interested in doing the pic of the day again? Like maybe one person could do it for a week and then it passes to someone else etc. etc? MikeNZ are ya listening?

I've recently bought a new android tablet and have been taking lots of pics. Mostly of residential repair issues.

Here is a prime example of why Ice and Water shield is good to use in valleys if you don't know how to properly roof a valley.

http://www.rooferscoffeeshop.com/rcs/users/OLEWillie/2013-04-30 06.28.50.jpg

A 1 in a billion chance that this would ever happen; even with cutting the 'tails' off:

A roof that I did had a valley leak (western cut valley, 3 tab shingles). After 3 attempts to fix the lead; I went back while it was raining.

(Side 'A' is driven 1st and under side 'B') Side 'A' had just 1" of the 'cutout' showing in the valley area. The rest of the cutout was covered over by side 'B'.

(When finish cutting side 'B', I chaulk a line from bottom of valley to the top about an inch out of the crease of the valley. I cut the face of the shingle to the chaulk line and then tail it back on the headlap)

In one place, my headlap (side 'B') butted up PERFECTLY against the bottom edge of a shingle from side 'A'. The top of the headlap also aligned ABSOLUTLY PERFECT with the cutout.

Water came down the valley, was diverted by just 1" of the cutout showing in the valley on side 'A', followed the remaining 4" under side 'B', transfered to the top edge of shingle from side 'B', and followed along that shingle to it could get under valley (new costruction that was previous felted and we placed our valleys on top of felt - oops!) I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself. The water trail was unmistakable!

You wanna do it Monday through Friday of next week Mike?

May 13th-17th? Just name the topic: Pic of the Day 5-13-13. Etc.

I did it last week. Then tinner started one this week. Don't know if he plans to finish.

The place seems dead on the weekends so I would assume just 5 days a week and we would have to communicate who is next.

Everyone loves your pics Mike and I was trying to come up with a way to revive this place a little more.

Mrs Vickie is an owner with heart that cares about the site. If it were not for that I wouldn't care. She deserves all the help we can give her. And if we don't help then who is?

I've discovered a couple of the old members from here on another site. I'm also going to go there and private message them an invitation to come back here and join us again.

When they and other new people come here, we need to have something for them besides deadness.

This is why I've been trying to post more pics, topics, etc... :)

We would lace 3 tabs but not laminates, when we set the valleys we had to strip in a min 4" membrane on both sides set in roofers mastic we had been doing all metal the same way so when I & W appeared on the scene we had our own brand "Bull and Brane" The sunshine state south of Palm Beach county thrived on Bull and Bull Chit

Yeah, I see a lot of cracked ridge caps out there.

Especially at a tie in like where the ridge on a dormer/dog house meets the main roof.

More so on the steep ones than the shallow ones because they have to be bent so much more.

Here's my roof.

Here's a Cold Weaved' valley where the shingles weren't softened first.

Nobody seems to know how to work fiberglass Willie. Fiberglass is softer than silk. Put in in an emulsion of any description and it's brittle. Just lifting a tab and having any curvature when doing so breaks fibers. If you lay the valley shingles out in the sun to soften, an dgo limp, it's not an issue. Not manu will do that. Look at all the split cap on roofs. It has to be laid out and warmed/softened. It wasn't much of an issue with rag backing.

What ever happened to the old Laced Valley?

No Tips to cut out. Heck, no valley to cut out! B)

I love it Willie! Here are some more of those.

BTW, I've seen those cut at that 45 degree angle leak too. This one doesn't show any evidence of it, but I've seen it when there were heavy rains. Squaring the cuts will stop those from leaking again.

Just to lighten the moment, here's a winner. I can't remember who gave it to me, but I'll share it for giggles.

The way the hispanics are doing the valleys around here now days there are no tips to cut out.

If you look on the left side of the valley in this pic you will see a shingle installed up and down the valley and then the bottom right corner is ran over to that.

I don't think this has anything to do with why they choose to do it this way but it effectively makes for the same scenario as the tips being cut.

The reason for it is to not have to cut out the valleys. :silly:

Frank, although I don't do much asphalt shingle roofing, I'm going to pay attention to that pattern of leakage on roofs we do tear off. I wasn't getting why you'd want to cut the tips off, but the first picture in the last post makes it pretty clear as to what could happen. I don't remember seeing this pattern on the roofs we've done, but now that you have pointed it out, I'm on the outlook for this. Thank you.

The one in the first pic was less than 2" open area (per side). The slate one was 2"+ open area. The last picture was 2" open.(per side) It's a lower section on a 20'+ run. The metal is 10" wide. One side hemmed. No felt. All shingle in were cut exactly like the ones in the first picture. Pictures don't show it well, but you could see where water tracked outwards an inch or so, then was turned back by the squared sides. There is a bit of rust on the under side of each lap which was only 2", but it couldn't have been more than damp. Wood was fine, no true leak. I kept the one piece in my shop and still have it.

Look at all those pieces I cut off. That's water tracks. The valley was 2"+ open,(per side), and leaked like a sieve. I cut the tops and the leaks quit.

If you're not clipping, water isgetting under the shingles, leaking inside or not, it's getting under there.

These are just real life pix I've bothered to take.

Tinner in your pics it looks like the trash built up in the slate valley due to the valley not being cut open enough and then leaked due to the trash build up.

In your last pic of the shingled valley it was cut open properly thus avoiding the trash build up and didn't leak.

Just never been a problem. I've fixed thousands of valleys too, by redoing them!

Many people believe in cutting the tips. That's ok.

I have not even once been called back to fix a valley that I personally roofed.

"Ok but something is not exactly right because I have NEVER cut my valley tips in my life and my valleys NEVER leak.

I am fully aware of the procedure of cutting them and have been for many years. I just can not find any reason to do so."

So, how do you keep the water from touching the tips since they are flush with the 'open valley cut'? If the eaves are level, so are the lines, and any water that wouches those tips is completely free to cross the roof on the tops of that course of shingles. Just curious.

"Maybe there is another factor in play at the same time on the ones that DO leak?" Just the uncut tops allowing the water to follow the shingle tops across the roof. As for any underlay, I look, but I find I&W, felt, or nothing sometimes, beut that isn't the issue. The issue is keeping the water from the underlay.