Production & pay rates for shingling

In 1996 at the ripe old age of 17 years old, my dad paid us 25 per sq for steep new construction. Everything is a 12/12 and usually cut up.

The sweet spot was 8sq but 12sq was where it was at. We did a 40sq house per day (4 man crew) and each of us averaged 800-1200 per week income.

This was all hand nailed...a new guy would show up with compressor and gun and by the time he got his chit set up, gun oiled, air filled up and got up to start chalking his lines...most of us had a couple square on by then.

Every new job in the morning we drew straws to for which person got which section of the house.

Getting to the job at 6-630 and getting home by 2 or 3 in the evening was really nice.

Are you saying your guys are inept?

Sorry; No bragging intended....Just musing at today's generally, inept workforce.....No "production" work here....all our work is re-roofing customs and commercial.

I don't know if you are bragging about being a production roofer or what. Some of the worst roofing being done today is by production roofers. It has always been that way. A production roofer is not a conscientious roofer.

Old school....sounds like you & I attended the same school....LOL

Yeah...like I said...I'ts painfull to watch them....

Funny? Isn't it? How some of these guys think we're BS'n them on the production? The irony of it, is that the 16 or so sqs you or I'd put on is straighter/more accurate that the 5 - 6 sqs these kids, (or ilegals), would put on!

Last month I was out looking at roofs. A competitor was roofing a house and I stopped to check them out. 7 guys- no one spoke english. It was 2:00pm on a 105 degree Texas day. 32 sq square butt- 6/12- hip valley- chimney and skylights. They already had it tore off and felted and started roofing. 4 ran guns, 2 carried shingles up, and 1 picked up. They all looked like they were about to pass out yet they continued to work. Nothing but careless, sloppy, inconsiderate work. If shingles stuck together, threw them on the ground. Nails crooked, high, all over the place. I was told they finished about 10pm. Insurance job so there was plenty of money to do a great job. That is what makes this so pathetic. It is a typical Texas roof job.

You guys have got to be kidding. What you describe is an outrageous rate. But sadly, most roofers are slap on artists. They only care about how many they can get on in a day. It is the same reason most roofs look like crap.

I usually average 2 hours / square- tear off to clean deck and install start to finish. But I am a perfectionist.