cedar shakes

I looked at a shake roof where the interlay felt is 3" lower than it should be, therefor you can see 3" of felt between the shakes. In your opinion, would this be the cause of roof leaks and be the sole reason to replace said roof?

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I haven't seen a proper roof in a loooong time. That bein said, I haven't seen a poorly installed roof where the responsibility didn't boil down to the customer. Ignorance is a major handicap. There might be all these other ways but educating yourself is always the best and most independent way to protect oneself from all the deceptors in this world. All of the systems we create will never eliminate the deceptors but rather create bueracracies, inflate costs and compromise our freedom.

Max; Lanny summed it up..... The only "defect" you've decsribed,is the expose felt....Which, most-definitely is an issue. Most all else is simply opinion, and could quite possibly discredit your "expert" status. 1. Staples are acceptable means of fastening and perform just fine 2. neoprene jacks are acceptable 3. "Large: gaps may or may not be an issue. 4. "Reglet" could be arguable...IOn any event , a minor detail. 5. Nothing wrong w/standing seam roof installed properly.

wywoody Said: My guess is that they felted it as they went and used the top 0f the shakes as the line for the top of the felt.

kage Said: The way your describing install...I would call it crap..i mean defective...

But the question is, did it really warrant replacement

The roof was leaking, but i suspect it was because of the low pitch metal roof, I see no reason for the shake roof leaking. Original roofer is not even in the picture. One of my questions was what the specs were for the upper roofs, nobody seems to know. The copper counter flashing was step, but just nailed and caulked.

Well I just repaired one today in Columbus Ohio that was roofed the same way. What I found out was they dropped the felt to cover roofing nails that were nailed very high and were not galvanized. I think this was their way of getting out of buying stainless steal or hot dipped nails. It has been working for 18 years. I was there to re-flash the chimney. They will have a tough time getting any money from the builder if it was not leaking.

The way your describing install...I would call it crap..i mean defective...

I have been hired as an expert witness in this case. I get paid for every minute I spend on it, even as I type. Homeowner is suing, claming they bought said house with a defective roof. They hired a very respected roofing company to replace roof for $100,000 plus. Now, after the fact they are suing the developer. All I have are pictures of the old roof. Besides the interlay issue 1. used staples instead of nails 2.rubber boots instead of lead. 3.large gap between shakes. 4.no reglet cut for copper counter flashing 5.Standing seam roofing on upper flat roofs instead of single ply made for 1/12 pitch

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We run into similar situations all the time, here in Colorado, (especially in the "mountains")....They typically I&W everything, so proper roofing application proceedures/techniques, are negated so-to-speak.....Every so often, we run accross a shake roof w/o any liner at all!

That's a fact, OS. Woody, when I worked the numbers around in my head, that's what I came up with at first, but we are obviously missing some information here. He said only 3" were showing. No way to pass a shake over two and put the tips under the third on loose-laid felt and if it was fastened you'd run into every fastener. If they snapped lines and held the felt to those, fastening high, and they used 22" felt, there would be two inches showing and a very short starter course. (My tail is twitching.) :angry: Whatever it was, it was bold-faced ignorance. (Now my ears are laid back.) Think I'll quit before I start growling.

What an odd situation. I'm trying to imagine just how frustrating it must have been to lay up the roof that way but even trying to imagine the scenario is frustrating. Very weird. :blink:

It is installed wrong. Will it fail????? a lot depends on conditions. What pitch is it? How much sun? Do valleys dump out onto it?. I've seen felt installed so it show between the shakes and last 20 years. I've seen it installed correctly and the roof fail in 14.

No it shouldnt be the cause of leaks..