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| Mike M.: [ Best Shingle ] , Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 7:50 PM | |  | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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Would like everyone opinion on the best shingle on market , and pro's and con's of each.I like Certainteed landmark, and have heard that G. A. F. has made their Timberline lighter weight. Any opinions appreciated. |
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| TomB: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Saturday, May 26, 2012 @ 6:29 AM | | | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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Guess we've been lucky. Used to do acres of comp in Ca.....Other than a HUGE, wide-spread issue, GAF had, back in the 80's, with their 3-tab, (metric-sized "Centennial", I believe it was called), we've only experienced one color issue with a comnp shingle, that I can recall.
Home Depor/Home Club(?), used to carry what appeared to be 2nd's by Celotex.....They seemed like crap, but, never was aware of any issues.
Always liked the ELK shingle....But, honestly, they all pretty-much performed, & continue to perform, as expected. |
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| I am a : Sales Rep |
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Thanks for starting a great topic. Everyone's opinions stirred up some good questions in my mind for later research.
I noticed that no one mentioned the newer Class IV hail-resistant shingles.. Has no one had any experiences to report?
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who feels guilty about the 40 billion tons of shingles we're dumping into the landfill every year. I understand that it keeps us in business, but in places like TX, OK, and KS where hail is so prevalent that roofs are coming off every two to five years, this is an environmentally-responsible option that needs our backing. |
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| DdubyaC: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Tuesday, May 29, 2012 @ 5:13 AM | | | | |
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Cha Cha: I'd love to recycle the shingles I tear off, but there is no serious recyclers in my area. Also, it is my understanding that hail-resistant shingles still have to be replaced when damaged by hail, but they have another layer which keeps them from leaking. |
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| Old School: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Saturday, June 02, 2012 @ 1:01 PM | | | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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Lady, you are throwing numbers around! 40 billion tons of shingles would be about 400 billion squares, whick would be 4 trillion square feet which would be an area about 400 by 400 miles. I don't think so.
Speaking of recycling shingles though, there is a company that does it here in Kalamazoo. It costs less if you sort out the debris and it saves a lot of space in the landfills. Oil is expensive and the higher it gets, the more economical it is to reuse the asphalt. |
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| natty: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Tuesday, June 05, 2012 @ 1:18 PM | | | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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LadyLovesRoofin Said:
I noticed that no one mentioned the newer Class IV hail-resistant shingles.. Has no one had any experiences to report?
Sometimes I wonder if Im the only one who feels guilty about the 40 billion tons of shingles were dumping into the landfill every year. I understand that it keeps us in business, but in places like TX, OK, and KS where hail is so prevalent that roofs are coming off every two to five years, this is an environmentally-responsible option that needs our backing.
Most of the storm work is nothing but a racket. Too many slightly damaged roofs are being thrown away when there was plenty of life left in them. Most roofs are poorly installed, poorly accessorized, and junk.
I have been using Malarkey Legacy because it is impact resistant, thicker, has a larger nail zone, and might get an insurance discount. The price is comparable to other premium laminates that don't have the impact resistance. I use to use a lot of Elk Prestique Plus because of its thickness, but now it costs too much and no one stocks it. |
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| twill59: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Thursday, June 07, 2012 @ 6:47 PM | | | | |
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Most of the storm work is nothing but a racket. Too many slightly damaged roofs are being thrown away when there was plenty of life left in them. Most roofs are poorly installed, poorly accessorized, and junk........
Welcome to the Fourm natty! |
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| roofermike: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Thursday, June 07, 2012 @ 6:54 PM | | | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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Atlas modifieds
Best non-mods? Certaiteed
Click Here To Go To URLroofer mike
Roofer Mike Inc
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| firehawk: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Friday, June 15, 2012 @ 3:33 PM | | | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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The new sales pitch is less is more , due to better technology, the truth is that it is all about the stock holders , screw the product , just make more money for the investors. They have high paid people whose whole purpose is to find a way make it cheaper and sell it as better.. |
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| Old School: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Saturday, June 16, 2012 @ 8:34 AM | | | | |
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| I am a : Roofer |
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Natty, roofer Mike and firehawk. You guys should sign in and let us know where you are from. That post is just a few down on the list. I ams till looking for someone that is from the middle west. |
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| egg: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Monday, June 18, 2012 @ 12:08 AM | | | | |
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From where I come from, you are from the mid-west.
What are you looking for, wheatfields? |
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| Stocker 5130: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Monday, June 18, 2012 @ 11:51 AM | | | | |
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I'm from the midwest...St. Louis to be exact. We got hit with a monster hail storm at the end of April. It has been insane. I've delivered shingles to neighborhoods where six different houses had roofing crews on them and twelve others had materials stocked in the driveway. The yard signs are absolutely ridiculous. We are sending out around 1,000sq a day. The posts in this topic thread are answers to the questions that everyone is asking right now. One of the things that this brings up is insurance companies. I can't tell you how many times I have seen an insurance company specifying a 20yr shingle to go on someone's roof. There aren't any manufacturers that still manufacture 20yr shingles in this market. The only manufacturers you can get 20yr shingles from in the midwest are Tamko and OC...AND THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN 25YR SHINGLES! Seriously, OC Classics (which got discontinued in 2010) cost more than Supremes, and Tamko Glass-Seals cost more than Elites. The manufacturers still have them, but don't want to sell them, probably because of warranty issues. You tell this to an insurance agent and they think you're retarded! |
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| twill59: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Monday, June 18, 2012 @ 4:32 PM | | | | |
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egg Said: From where I come from, you are from the mid-west.
What are you looking for, wheatfields?
My Dad was born & raised in Wheatfield.....Indiana |
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| ktrepairs: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 1:53 PM | | | | |
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every body in Dallas Fort Worth uses Atlas because they are easily damaged by hail and sunshine ,which insures lots of repeat busines
? if you can remember J-M's Wodlands you are a old person
J-M closed their plant in Fort Worth in the early 80's
I bought them in the 70's because it took 60 fewer nails per sq because they had a 6'' exposure
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| natty: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Thursday, June 21, 2012 @ 6:13 PM | | | | |
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ktrepairs Said: every body in Dallas Fort Worth uses Atlas because they are easily damaged by hail and sunshine
The only CONtractors using Atlas are those selling "free" roofs because they are cheaper. Homeowners should know that if they don't pay their deductible in an insurance claim, there is an almost 100% probability that the CONtractor will cut corners, do a sloppy job, and not be around 2 years down the line when problems show up. And if you do find the guy and try to sue him for shoddy work, which invoice are you going to present to the court? |
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| tico: [ RE: Best Shingle ] , Friday, June 22, 2012 @ 9:21 AM | | | | |
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Great topic. I remember when shingles came to south Florida. The first problem was water shed. Many of the older homes had 2-3" pitch. We were very meticulous in their laying. Overlap, reveal, hand nailing, not overcrowding the joints and so on.
Theirs one factor, to roofs and our weather pattern that the old guys figured out IMMIDIATELY, back water. Being an area of the country that every single job had bull, trowel and membrane, we bulled and membraned the eaves. After hurricane Andrew, prior to the county setting more stringent codes, we as roofers took it upon ourselves, (the companies and guys that made Dade County roofing) to bull and membrane rakes also.
As for through the years, what performed best, it's A shooting gallery of what's and who dunnits.
I don't have A preference. When that OC duration hit the market, they held it up next to the Elk. Saying that they revolutionized adhesion. I politely told them, what they've done so created A moisture trap, like another mentioned. They told me I was crazy. I told them I'd bet them my life, hand them my head before my body hit the ground, what would happen would be multi phased. The shingle would be crowded sidewise, it's gonna rain, the shingle will draw slightly, the nail divvits would pool water, then the sun would relax the shingle and seal the water from vaporizing and it would accelerate nail failure.
Every one of the shoe sales guys, with their wisdom, the owner of the company and all his hoolies, they all scoffed at the roofer.
I'm still waiting for heads to come to me in the mail. To top it off, OC said, and it stuck, improper nails were used.
Man, where I come from, A box of nails is A box of nails. Nails, eave and valley metal, lead stacks, hoods were never A problem. Yet when they did the solid strip, it caused them to ruckus the help about metal grade.
My beef with the shingle I'm laying, size. I know for A fact I'm not the only one that's slid A shingle to line and looked at it and IMMIDIATELY knew it was narrow or long, wide or skinny.
Their was A time when all we layer was 3 tab in Miami. We'd not even seen the dimensional. So when you get years of practice, QC isn't an issue. The man swinging the hatchet QC'd his own work.
And just tell me why in the world would A manufacturer have to strengthen the nail line? With "more fiber"? The only fiber they should be concerned with is their fiber one cereal.
What kind of roofer would have blow through issues once they got their guns set up? I never did, I would have that odd one, when the compressor kicked as I would start nailing and I would get "burst". Also, if you've got A hell of A foreman, like some, when he hears the compressor kick, it becomes intuitive to listen for A gun simultaneously and if one goes off, check for A blow out.
I remember when Tamko came on line. They were brittle if they rode the yard outside to long. When you carried them up and laid the out, that point where the guy toting them bounces the last step to to break their back, they don't break. I've sent back entire orders for this.
I guess with the new trend of re-roofing houses every 2-3 years the shingle riding the yard is A thing of the past.
Today, it's what the consumer chooses, often according to ins. Or the roofers supply choice. It's also the scrutiny of the company doing the work to get positive results.
Ultimately, the shingle will last when it's installed properly, the roofer is deft in his touch and eye and he has A conscientious advisor as A super. The quality parallels another topic of the crews and how they are managed. When you apply A standard of "work for pay" and maintain A strict, not high, level of performance everyone wins.
I say strict and not high because roofing is next to plumbing in discipline. 2 things that no matter where our economy goes, theirs 2 things the consumer is adamant about.
Crap flowing back into their house, and being rained on.
For this, I am responsible. |
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