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| Roofguy: [ Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 7:58 AM | |  | | |
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Talking in theory here.
When the flood coat of hot is poured for the gravel install, "if" a glaze coat was installed, both are now melted and allows some of the gravel to come in direct contact with the membrane, even if only in some areas, right?
So then if hail dislodges some gravel, moisture can now enter the membrane, right?
If you reply, please don't include this text... Will explain later.www.adamsrooftech.com
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| Roofguy: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 12:08 PM | | | | |
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Adjuster is disputing damage to roof. They hired engineering firm who confirmed dislodged gravel and 2" hail. Adjuster seems to be arguing even with engineer they hired.
Xactimate says $285 for sweep back & reflood. Customer will apply $285 toward our roof system.
Our point is that when gravel is applied, some of it sinks to bottom of hot bitumen, and ths some is in contact with membrane. Thus, chipping it loose with hail leaves risk of moisture entry on membranes through areas where gravel was dislodged.
I have never had an adjuster deny sweep & flood when his own engineer confirms 2" hard hail.www.adamsrooftech.com
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| Roofguy: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 12:10 PM | | | | |
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Complicating matters is it is a staff adjuster, and insured has cancelled policy after hail, so carrier has less motivation to pay. www.adamsrooftech.com
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| Rockydog: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 3:12 PM | | | | |
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Makes sense to me Roofguy. Never installed a hot in my life, but I've been around it and understand how it works. Also, I am Haag Certified Inspector(yippee) and have pulled a half dozen inspections and have had the same conclusions. 2 seperate occassions we found the hail to push the gravel into and rip the membrane. Only once did I hear the that the insurance company didn't pay |
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| Roofguy: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 3:34 PM | | | | |
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Thanks Rockydog. I went thru Haag's Low Slope Hail class years ago. Mainly because I kept finding myself in arbitrations with Haag's Tim Marsall.  www.adamsrooftech.com
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| Cyberian: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 3:59 PM | | | | 1 |
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Is it a one ply BUR?
Unless the bare spot is directly over a holiday or void, there is what 75, 100 lbs of asphalt still doing it's job, yeah? A 40 lb flood w/gravel isn't any more of a waterproofing agent than an aluminum coating.
After 2" hail, a few rocks knocked loose are the least of my worries. Shatters, delaminations, sure hope I'm not the poor SOB that get's to spud a re-flood looking for them.
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| Cyberian: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 4:03 PM | | | | |
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If it hit hard enough to drive the gravel into the membrane, a re-flood won't save it for long. |
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| Roofguy: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 4:25 PM | | | | |
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Agreed, a sweep & flood is a gimmick. We simply use it as a formula for helping the adjuster pay the correct amount because it is in Xactimate. Our customer will add his own funds to install our emulsion system with poly and chopped glass. www.adamsrooftech.com
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| Rockydog: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 6:01 PM | | | | |
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agreed here as well. Its a starting point to create further invetigation and possibly turning it into a new roof. Emul,poly and glas or anything else. You know as well as I that these adjustors are advocates for the Ins.co. and you can't hurt a gravel roof. Right! Not! |
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| egg: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 6:40 PM | | | | |
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"...sure hope I'm not the poor SOB that get's to spud a re-flood looking for them...
You've got that right. A green flood coat is not going to get spudded.
Maybe in the early morning if you used a water chisel. Not wouldn't that
be radical. Can't even imagine it. |
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| Roofguy: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 6:58 PM | | | | |
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egg Said: ...sure hope Im not the poor SOB that gets to spud a re-flood looking for them...
Youve got that right. A green flood coat is not going to get spudded.
Maybe in the early morning if you used a water chisel. Not wouldnt that
be radical. Cant even imagine it.
Always wondered about chilling the roof with crushed dry ice spread with a fertilizer spreader...then spud the area.
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| egg: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 7:11 PM | | | | |
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Yeah, if something has to be done and you're willing to pull out all the stops to do it... but seriously, if you had to worry about thousands of local fractures, most of them not even immediately apparent, it's game over. I've spudded and repaired a lot of hot roofs in all variety of conditions, but if you can't clearly define what has to be worked on you're wasting your time. If you were going to do a righteous spud, not a sweep down of loose rock but a spud clean to membrane, I would never, and I mean never re-gravel without adding some sheets first. That should be what is used to generate the benchmark number you are talking about. By the time you get clean to membrane, the hard part is done. Why waste all that on a flood coat. |
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| Roofguy: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 8:36 PM | | | | |
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egg Said: Yeah, if something has to be done and youre willing to pull out all the stops to do it... but seriously, if you had to worry about thousands of local fractures, most of them not even immediately apparent, its game over. Ive spudded and repaired a lot of hot roofs in all variety of conditions, but if you cant clearly define what has to be worked on youre wasting your time. If you were going to do a righteous spud, not a sweep down of loose rock but a spud clean to membrane, I would never, and I mean never re-gravel without adding some sheets first. That should be what is used to generate the benchmark number you are talking about. By the time you get clean to membrane, the hard part is done. Why waste all that on a flood coat.
I probably wasn't clear. I wasn't suggesting studding this roof. Just hypothesizing. I'm an inventer at heart, always seeking a better mousetrap.
We would never spud for an emulsion roof... Defeats the purpose.
I have done my share of studding and would avoid it religiously. My brother and I once hand spudded a 9000 sq ft roof in hot San Antonio...never again.www.adamsrooftech.com
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| egg: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 9:59 PM | | | | |
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No, you were clear and I understood that. I'm just speaking to the unknown person(s) endorsing a) spudding/regravel and/or b) using a purely re-gravel price as a benchmark number. |
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| Tin Man: [ RE: Hot BUR Installation Question ] , Saturday, February 25, 2012 @ 2:27 PM | | | | |
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Roofguy Said: Talking in theory here.
We always flood moped the Coal Tar Pitch while applying the gravel. worked away from the seams, top down. We used slag, the smaller the better. Yes sometimes the slag gets loose. We always installed gravel stops at the drains, to prevent loose stone from going down the drains. We would also spider web wind swept areas, double hot over stone. this would slow the bare spots from occuring. |
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