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lanny: [ took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:59 PM
I am a : Roofer
---I cleaned out the shop of several pallets of hand nails I cannot see ever using. I got paid $1,100 at the scrap yard for 13,000+ pounds or about 9 cents/lb. That worked out to about $4.50/50lb box. I was happy to get paid for getting rid of them.
Lanny
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egg: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:48 AM
I'm glad you are happy, but find it a bit sad actually. What size, shank, and metal were they?
dennis: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 6:47 AM
I am a : Roofer
Kind of like throwing out brass plumbing fittings because everyone uses plastic now. But understandable.
Were they the old hot dipped galvanized that would tear up the new guys fingers?
Old School: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 6:52 PM
I am a : Roofer
I remember buying roofing hails by the pallet too. A long time ago.
egg: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 7:53 PM
I keep the following hand-nails in stock, approx. one keg each:
3/4, 7/8, 1, 1 1/4, 1 1/2, 1 3/4, 2, 2 1/2, 3, eg &/or hdg. 1 1/4 also ss. & 1 1/4 1 1/2 cu.
3d reg, 3d fine, 5d, 6d, 7d, 8d, 10d, 12d, 16d. 3's are hdg, eg, and cu. 6's are eg, hdg, and ss. 8 &16 are hdg, eg, and vinyl coated. Yeah, we stock stick nails and coil nails too, but.......
What do you do when you restrict yourself entirely to pushing them in with air? (I know Lanny doesn't do that, btw)
A carton costs a lot these days. Four bucks is an outrageous steal. When I first started buying them they were ten bucks a keg. There is just something fundamentally important about being able to handle yourself and produce a good volume of work without being utterly dependent on hoses and compressors. You have to have air, you even need a palm nailer, but it is a sad, sad day when you go to buy a box of hand nails and find they stopped making or stocking them.
Roof Doctors USA: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Thursday, March 11, 2010 @ 1:02 AM
I am a : Roofer
Based on Murphy's Law, you're bound to get a huge job now that will require you to go buy exactly what you threw away to do it. In today's economy, you do what you have to to keep busy.
I drank what? - Socrates
Veritas vos liberabit
Stephen: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Thursday, March 11, 2010 @ 5:04 AM
I am a : General Contract
Egg- where on earth are you buying nails by the Keg?
gotta fess up here. I am 47-and i don't think i have ever encountered nails for sale by the keg.
50# boxes-and even those are getting hard to find in HD galv.
I did go through a period last summer where i went a couple months without ever firing up a compressor- those were happy weeks indeed. did a new slate roof, some slate repairs, some tile roof repairs, some redwood siding repairs.
stephen
wywoody: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Thursday, March 11, 2010 @ 7:10 PM
I am a : roofing survivor
The only place I remember seeing nails-by-the-keg is Warner Brothers cartoons. I'm old, but not old enough.
egg: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Friday, March 12, 2010 @ 12:45 AM
Don't believe him, Stephen. I heard him order a hogshead of liquor for the crew on friday. They begged for a cask of rum but he didn't want to spring for it. Language is revealing. I belong to a generation too young to buy nails by the keg although I believe I saw them in an old hardware store when I was a kid. I want to say a hundred lbs. Nowadays most nails are 'boxed' in that Asian cardboard that turns to paste if the dew gets on it. But that was the reference when I broke in. A ctn. aka 50# box was called a keg. It dawns on you slowly if you're not paying strict attention. When I step up to the counter I order a carton; when I ask a guy to load up the truck, I say a keg. "Keganails." Strange. Bye-gone age. It must be time for me to plug in an old western and make myself comfortable.
wywoody: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Friday, March 12, 2010 @ 9:29 AM
I am a : roofing survivor
Right now, the 'crew' is only two of us, a pigletshead is all it takes to get us plastered. But I know what you mean about routine things from the past being a puzzlement today. I had the kid that works for me cleaning the shop last week, He came upon two chrome spouts for oil cans and had to ask "what the heck are these for?"
GTP1003: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Friday, March 12, 2010 @ 6:56 PM
I am a : Roofer
thats alot of nails
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lanny: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Friday, March 12, 2010 @ 8:59 PM
I am a : Roofer
---The nails were 5's 6's 7's bright. Not used for roofing. Some 16 ga finish nails which we used for facias but I have been using 16d ga lately and just got tired of the space all those nails were taking up. I got most of them for $1/box at auction along with more valuable nails that I kept.
---At the last auction 660 boxes of 1 3/4 coil went for $6/box. I took all the 1 1/4 for $8/box. I just don't use enough 1 3/4 so I passed on those. I also got all the N-21 stainless for about $25/box and I priced them at $228. We use them for treated shake roofs. A box of 10m will do about 20 sq of shakes. A typical roof is 24-30 sq so 2 boxes of stainless is $450 which is real overhead. I hate having to shell out $450 for staples for one roof even if we do have some leftovers for next time.
Lanny
Stephen: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Saturday, March 13, 2010 @ 5:28 AM
I am a : General Contract
Actually- i did once own a keg of nails. My dad gave them to me-and he had gotten them from HIS dad. Grandpa died in the early 50's
a keg of 8d casing nails-all rusted and clumped together.
Keg was approx. the size of a drywall bucket-a little taller maybe and a little skinnier.
dad had another empty one he used as a trash can in his studio- I was planning to do much the same- but by the time I got the rusted out lump of metal out of the keg- the whole barrel just collapsed, LOL
stephen
Stephen: [ RE: took load of hand nails to the scrap yard ] , Saturday, March 13, 2010 @ 5:34 AM
I am a : General Contract
RE: words from the past that younger people puzzle over
Icebox
Xerox
occasionally, mimeograph
ice pick( helps to fit that BLOCK of ice in the icebox)
on the other hand my oldest son recently told me that watching me use a computer is like watching someone attempt to start of fire by slamming 2 rocks together.
stephen
